…and this was one of those highlighted WP posts at the bottom of the page.
https://wordpress.com/read/blogs/42952058/posts/9195
This is the Fact #1 I responded to:
Fact 1:
There is no known observable process by which genetic information can be added to an organism’s genetic code.
Fact # 1, are you aware of the flu? Are you aware that it mutates regularly? Are you aware they have to make a different vaccine every single year because it EVOLVES? Dumbass…
This is the Fact #2 I responded to:
Fact 2:
Never, ever has it been observed that life can come from non-life.
Fact #2, Abiogenesis is what we lack factual evidence for, evolution is seen all the time. Of course if you are wearing babble glasses it is difficult to see. Bear in mind science is still looking for the spark of abiogenesis, it is a matter of time. It will have a rational explanation of course, no voodoo or magic fairy dust required, as we all know that is the dead end alley of stupid.
You can make absurd claims all day long against your poorly understood caricature of evolution if you wish, the rest of the eduacted world is moving on. Evolution firmly in tow. Unfortunately the ignorant will be left behind with much gnashing and wailing to do…
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/viruses-and-evolution
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/130201_flu
https://www.livescience.com/7745-swine-flu-evolution-action.html
https://phys.org/news/2015-06-evidence-emerges-life.html
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It is unfortunate that every single day, just about anywhere you go on the net, this sort of plain stupidity, or malicious deception, is present. We could each knock one of these down 3 times a week and the chore would be never ending. That is but one of the examples of the terrible state of our country.
Nevermind the continued debacle of our govenment…
What we would learn as kids through the churches is that we came from monkeys, gave a few silly examples of spontaneous generation, told we’d have to have a lot more faith to follow science than god, that god created everything, and really never got around to mentioning real details and that evolution had been settled and done for 80+ years. It’s still happening and I’m 55
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55? You almost as old a fart as me lol. I only got ya by a year or two.
You are right, if we relied on churches to our source of reality we would be ignorant as turnips. I will never forget the day I pointed out in my first Sunday school event where I asked them how there was light before the dog made the stars. 😃
I’ve related that tale on the net a few times so won’t go into great detail. But the gist of the matter is, if a 7 or 8 year old kid can pick your claims apart, maybe you might want to rethink the whole thing…
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I am glad there are people such as your self that don’t mind having discussions with the science denying religious people. I like to read the posts and comments. Aron Ra posted about the Texas school board again trying to change text books to include christian religious stuff and to delete or water down science. He posted the video of people speaking to the board. Even one church Pastor asked them not to include things like the founding fathers looked to Moses to set up the country, but the board members argued with what the pastor was saying. We need more people who are able to speak out against the attempt by religion to take over and to dumb down the education of the children. Hugs
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And THAT is one major reason I got out of Texas public education. However, the biggest reason was Gov. Rick Perry’s $4-billion and $15-billion less by next budget-cycle in 2011. But here are all the more revealing facts about Perry-De-education of Texas…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/rick-perrys-record-on-education-fact-checker-biography/2011/11/16/gIQAqn3CSN_blog.html?utm_term=.f71c65499846
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And Scottie, do you (and other Americans) realize how much Texas is going to influence federal elections in the next two decades? It’s HUGE! 😮 So, what that means is MORE uneducated, wrongly informed voters in Texas will be filling our U.S. Congress and White House. Scary? 😵
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Very scary. Why will Texas be such a huge influence? I read that Texas is majority Hispanic, so why the total republican control? I did read that the text books Texas buys is the ones other states get stuck with as because Texas buys so many they are the market publishers try to please. Hugs
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In one sentence?: Voter repression and fictitious “voter-fraud” politics on those Hispanics and other minorities. Getting registered to vote is very difficult and time consuming when most Hispanics are just needing/wanting to work 18-hr days at least 6-days a week. Imagine the difficulty for an hourly-wager to miss those wages for several hours or even 2-3 days or more if you’ve moved thru different counties. This is prevalent among all Texas minorities for a plethora of economic reasons!
https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/why-texas-is-the-most-difficult-state-in-the-country-to-register-voters/
Then there is the constant desire of Texas Congressional Republicans ALWAYS ready to redraw and redistrict the counties to best suit Republican ideals. From my Oct. 2014 blog-post “Influences Upon the Majority”:
Apologies Shell for my extensiveness here and the details of ONE microcosm of our bigger problem.
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No apologies necessary Prof. Carry on 🙂
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Gerrymandering bastards have been pulling this crap for a long time. While I understand that population diversity changes over time, and that perhaps new, fair, lines should be drawn. But to purposely, and quite obviously, slant the system to your favor in this way needs to be outlawed.
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Agreed. And yet when brought to the Supreme Court then, they essentially voted party-line.
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See Scottie, a new Texan damn well needs a Ph.D. from MIT to freakin’ understand the voter policies, rules, how to obtain LEGAL photo ID’s, etc, etc, just to HOPE you get approved to legally vote! Obtaining a driver’s license is almost as impossible if their 1st language isn’t English!
Now, do you want me to tell you how super easy it is to purchase a weapon in Texas!? Hell, even a 105MM howitzer or .50 cal machine gun!? 😩
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Well I might do this from time to time, but I’m no good at it lol! I want to smack em upside the head and tell em to quit being such a dufus. Which probably makes me pretty bad at it 😉
Aron Ra, now he is good at it 🙂
…But I’ll take a swing every now and then. I’ll bet ya a cup of coffee, that if I get a response at all, it will be along the lines of “Well it’s still a virus”
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Oh, yeah! Well listen here Mr. High ‘N Mighty Nonbeliever. Can YOU tell me how the universe came into being, and can you SHOW me a monkey turn into a man RIGHT NOW?! No? Well, then you MUST believe in MY god! See: I don’t know = My god. Once you learn this, you’ll be as smart as me. Oh, and if you believe in any god other than mine, you’re wrong. Cool?
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LOL.. imagining you as a very entertaining magician pulling stuff out of your hat. 😆
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That’s pretty good!
I can show you plenty of people lacking the good sense of a monkey right now, will that do? 😉
Oh hell I aint gotta show you, you know where they hang out… 🙂
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Facts is not going to do it. And nor will sarcasm. There are those who can learn and change with the evidence and there are those who may not
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Speaking of whom, what happened to SoM?
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Yes, he sort of just dropped off the flat planet. Maybe he got to close to to the edge. Hugs
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I want to hope he lost his internet connection. He was such an annoying fellow
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His last post was in October 2017. The silence of Silence does make one wonder. Especially considering what has happened to certain others … 😐
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Geez, hopefully nothing awful happened. The dude was annoying, but, in a way, he was entertaining as hell, too.
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Not that this matters much or is in anyway the exact reason, but…
…about the time SoM dropped off the entire WP map, I had just busted him BAD in a blatant lie on my blog and one or some of his last comments there. He never again returned and I noticed he hasn’t returned to any other blogs he used to frequent since then. Just fyi. 🙂
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Too easy to speculate, but perhaps they’ve come to take him away ha ha, hee hee!
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Beat the drums! 👹 👺
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Somehow, PT, I think it’s something more than what happened on your blog. But then, you never know ..
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Certainly true Nan.
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I don’t think it is quite that cut and dried, but yep, pretty damn close. What it really requires is a person willing to be honest with themselves. Amazing how few are capable of that.
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For the majority of humanity, their concern is what they will eat. No time for philosophical disputation. And there are people who take religion too seriously
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I gotta say you are probably correct on both counts. Make that absolutely 😉
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I should probably go slow on being correct too many times
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FACT #3 and any subsequent “Christian facts” hereafter… LOL 😄
How can you possibly examine or critique counter-facts when you don’t possess even an elementary, much less expert, level understanding of such facts, their scientific proofs and/or supporting evidence, nor HOW the former was tested, retested, confirmed, reconfirmed, and hence its established law/truth was constructed?
That sort of ludicrous logic is similar to translating or interpreting a Chinese proverb/poem in Mandarin and you know not one stitch of the language, its inflections, or contextual culture! This idiocy in America is mind-boggling and frankly makes us a laughing stock of the world. 😩
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Speaking of laughing stock … I’m sure you heard that tRumpsky’s recent speech at the United Nations General Assembly brought a number of laughter and giggles from “the world.”
It’s so uplifiting to know our country is being led by a ignorant clown.
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I’m just GLAD intelligent foreign diplomats have the courage to laugh in his face! He utterly deserves it. He’s straight off of Looney Toons!
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If only the R Senate had the courage, and the love of country to do so…
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Exactly. Political party 1st, Wealth 2nd. God 3rd. Country last.
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You can put country as fourth, but as of this moment in time I think you can put women last… Sort of, kind of, maybe sarcasm there, sorta kinda a ring of truth to that too.
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That’s completely appropriate Shell, and accurate really.
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Here’s the fairly up-to-date go to for “fact 2”
In 1953, Stanley L. Miller and Harold C. Urey set out to test Alexander Oparin’s and J. B. S. Haldane’s hypothesis that conditions on the primitive Earth favoured “chemical reactions that synthesized organic compounds from inorganic precursors,” and through their experiments successfully cooked up the first manmade Amino Acids in the lab. Since then NASA’s Stardust probe triumphantly returned to earth in 2006 with Amino Acids it’d captured after intercepting the comet 81P/Wild (Wild-2) around Jupiter, proving that these fundamental building blocks of life occur naturally on earth and are found equally naturally in space.
In 2009, Dr. Gerald Joyce of the Scripps Research Institute and his graduate student, Tracey Lincoln, pretty much nailed primitive ‘life’ – a progenitor of life if you like – when they developed a molecule composed of nothing but RNA enzymes in a test tube that replicated and evolved, swapping genes for just as long as the conditions were right to do so. Doing what molecules do it Xeroxed itself by using its own basic structure as a scaffolding from which to build new copies from pairs of smaller molecules. Incredibly, when incorrect copies were made mutations arose and the molecule quite happily passed on those changes to the proceeding generation, and so it slowly evolved.
Also in 2009 John Sutherland of the University of Manchester went even further when he successfully cooked up two of the four ribonucleotides found in both RNA and DNA molecules and by doing so created the first stirrings of life on earth. Remarkably, with each passing phase the molecules became more and more complex and when phosphates were added in the very last stage Sutherland found himself staring at two ribonucleotides; half a naturally built RNA molecule.
In 2012, researchers led by Phil Holliger at the Medical Research Council Laboratory of Molecular Biology in Cambridge announced they’d successfully made the first synthetic RNA and DNA molecules which they called, XNA: xeno-nucleic acids. They achieved this mind-jarringly colossal leap in constructing artificial life by building synthetic versions of RNA and DNA’s nucleobase ladder rungs. By synthesizing enzymes (what they’ve called, polymerases) they could then bind the XNA molecules to DNA or reverse the process back to a single RNA strand; passing genetic information between the natural and synthetic molecules at will, leading MRC scientist, Victor Pinheiro, to observe “Thus heredity and evolution, two hallmarks of life, are not limited to DNA and RNA.”
In 2010, Dr Craig Venter, actually created synthetic life (a man-made single celled organism) by manufacturing a new chromosome from artificial DNA in a test tube, then transferred it into an empty cell and watched it multiply… the very definition of being alive.
In 2014, Floyd Romesberg, at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California, also created synthetic life by producing completely new (alien) bases (X and Y) which bonded to DNA and were transferred in mitosis. Over time, though, the X and Y were lost, until in 2017 when the researchers simply created a new bacterium which would always retain the new bases. Alien life created.
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Holy shit! Wow, I was unaware of how close we had come.
Thanks JZ, and as of right now you win the non existant (godlike even) prize for wowing me today.
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Wild, huh? I’m about due to do the rounds again to see what’s happened in the last 12 months.
I left this for Griego, but he deleted it immediately. When I asked if he’d deleted it, he deleted that comment, too. Seems he doesn’t like being proven wrong.
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Lol! How dare you challenge my non evidence based preconceptions!
You find out something else worthy of mention in your travels…please do.
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I once created life in my fridge. I put some uneaten spaghetti in a plastic bowl and covered it. I forgot it was there for over 7 or 8 months. When I opened the container, the spaghetti was gone and in its place was a green, furry creature that, I swear to this day, moved and breathed like a previously unknown species of animal. I won my first Nobel Prize for that experiment.
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I think we all have found something at least a bit frightening, growing in our refigerators. Speaking from experience never let a pot of beans sit in there for a couple of weeks 🙂
Im impressed you got a Nobel out of that though!
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Well, I gave it to myself, so some argue it doesn’t count. But, of course, they’re wrong because I say so.
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